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Music Workshop It can be difficult sometimes to have the confidence to make your first song upload, so with this in mind we've decided to launch this new forum with a view to helping other members solve some of their music-making problems.

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Default Welcome to the Music Workshop! - 29-10-2008, 09:53 PM

To all members:

A few of us have been in heavy discussion and have decided to launch a new forum, aimed at helping other members achieve their musical goals.

We're all at different musical experience levels, and sometimes it can be tough for the less-experienced members to find the confidence to make their first song upload.

With this in mind, we're offering our help. If you have a tune but feel, for whatever reason, that it's not quite ready for posting in the main song forums, and would like some helpful, constructive views, then just start a new thread here, and post an mp3 + midi and whoever's available will drop by and hopefully help with any issues.

If you state in your post, what issues/problems you're having, then this will help us to focus on finding the right solution. There will be no criticism of your performance, only helpful advice. Even if you just want an honest critique of your work, before posting in the main song forums, then this could also be useful to you.

Another concern is, we don't want to bombard the person seeking help with too much info in one go, so only members who have expressed an interest to help, (we'll call them mentors for want of a better term), will be allowed to post comments.

How to get started.

Ok, you'll notice we have 2 workshop forums, a 'regular' visible one, (Music Workshop) and a private one, (Private Workshop).

Now, we'd prefer for you to use the regular one, as other members will hopefully be able to benefit from what they read. However, in the interests of all, you are more than welcome to use the private area however, this will not benefit any other members in a similar position. On a side note: you'll only be able to see your own thread in the private area, no-one else's.

Please note: only the person seeking help, and the mentors will be allowed to post in either of the 2 forums. If a member feels he or she has some useful information that needs to be added, then contact me, and I will add you to the usergroup set up for this project.

If you'd like help, either PM me, or preferably use the main site 'contact us' form found at the bottom of every page.

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Please state your forum username.

I will then add you to the working usergroup, which will give you the necessary forum permissions to start a new thread.

I will also notify you to say you've been added to the usergroup, and you're then ready to go.

Either select the Music Workshop, or the Private Workshop and start a new thread outlining your concerns. If you have a music performance issue of any sort, then a link to an mp3 would be most helpful, as well as uploading the midi, if you consider it necessary. (Note: the midi will not show in your user profile, as they usually do when uploading in the main song forums).

Please do not always expect an instant reply, as we may need to wait for the most qualified member to arrive, especially if you have a technical query.

If anyone needs any clarification of the above, please feel free to make contact and I will always do my best to help.

Important: I would just like to stress again, that we're here to help, and do not wish to humiliate, criticise or be negative in any way. If you want to improve, then please join in and make the most of the available experience on hand.

Become a mentor: if you would like to help other members with advice in this new forum(s), please PM me, or drop a line on our 'contact' form here:

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stating your interest, and a couple of your main strengths, e.g. music theory, sequencing, voicing, arranging, styles, general keyboard help, software, etc. etc. Please do not feel you need to be an 'expert' in any area to become a mentor. As long as you enjoy music, and willing to help others with friendly, useful advice, then we need you!

If we all muck in, then we can collectively make this a useful feature of the site.

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Default Re: Welcome to the Music Workshop! - 11-11-2008, 01:45 AM

Great idea, Paul.

I don't have any particular expertise, just plenty of road experience, if that means anything other than a ruined youth. Mind you, that's too long ago to worry about now, anyway.

I'm definitely a 'lo-tech' kinda guy and I don't know what all those funny little dots on the five lines mean. But if I do see something that I can give a helping hand to, then I'll certainly chime in - without being a 'mentor' as such.

Hope this new feature works out well.

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Default Re: Welcome to the Music Workshop! - 11-11-2008, 10:53 AM

Hello Paul
This is a great idea, Once my workload has decreased a bit I will find time to ask some questions, in the meantime I wish it success.
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Default Re: Welcome to the Music Workshop! - 11-11-2008, 11:22 AM

Hi Howie & Ewan,

Many thanks for your support guys, it's really appreciated.

If there's any subject related to music-making you think would make interesting reading, then please let me know. For instance, I'm wondering if an article on 'quantising' might be of interest to others?

Also, I know Pam uses a feature called P.A.T. on the T2, and now the T3. I still haven't figured out what this does, even after listening to her uploads where she specifically states she's used it. Maybe if anyone reading this who uses the feature can offer a full explanation/tutorial on the subject, well I for one would find this of interest.

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Default Re: Welcome to the Music Workshop! - 11-11-2008, 03:51 PM

Hi Paul
Can't see the point of PAT, it adds notes and plays along with your performance in line with the chords you play, you set your song going then just hit any keys and it will play appropriate ones alongside yours. My opinion? a useless gimick! Used it once, unimpressed!
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Default Re: Welcome to the Music Workshop! - 15-11-2008, 01:54 AM

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Can't see the point of PAT, it adds notes and plays along with your performance in line with the chords you play, you set your song going then just hit any keys and it will play appropriate ones alongside yours. My opinion? a useless gimick! Used it once, unimpressed!
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Hi Paul & Spike

I do music technology seminars for "grey nomads" - mostly those into motorhoming. It always brings the house down when I play the Michel Vonchen Yamaha demo of the PSR-K1. (use it so I can have a "toilet" break as these things can go on for hours!!!) He performs "Cant Help Falling in Love" by "cleaning" the keyboard. It really is a brilliant demo of Performance Assistant and I can tell you now, that if I had a mountain of K1's at seminars they would walk out the door as "newbies" just fall in love with the thing. It is a 15 meg file but of course you can get the DVD from PSR Tutorial etc. Might even be on U Tube??????? Hope this helps.

By the way Spike I have featured your absolutely brilliant Shadows stuff extensively in Oz since you started posting on SVP years ago - you are extremely popular here!!! I almost had a heart attack when SVP went off the air!!!

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Default Re: Welcome to the Music Workshop! - 15-11-2008, 10:24 AM

Hi Bob
How nice to hear from you and for your kind remarks on my Shads numbers, I'm hoping to upload them all on this site eventually.
Here's the link to Michel Vonchen... I stand by my statement - it's a gimmick but the way he does it is entertaining and I suppose a selling point for wannabies
Look forward to hearing some of your music
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Default Re: Welcome to the Music Workshop! - 17-11-2008, 02:39 PM

Hi Bob,

Welcome to the forum!

Thanks to Spike's Y/T link, and I now understand what P.A.T.'s all about. A bit too gimicky for my liking, especially as a skill level of zero is required, but I can understand why some newbies to music would find this feature attractive. I think this is probably a case of taking musical aids a little too far.

Great to hear Spike's got an Aussie fan base! He's certainly made the Shads genre his own. To the non-initiated, the Shads music probably sounds easy, but to get those Hank nuances takes a good ear and quite a bit of dedication, which Spike's got both of. I think lead guitar is one of the toughest instruments on a keyboard to sound convincing, so hats off to anyone who manages it.

You probably already know this, but for thoses that don't, if you want to hear all of Spike's current uploads, just click on his name in any of his posts, and in the drop-down menu click on 'View Public Profile'.

The music technology courses you run sounds really interesting Bob. Are you a motorhomer yourself? Many Brits shoot off to southern Spain for the winter, and more and more are now going full-time. I've been looking at some American '5th-wheel' combinations at various M/H shows here in the UK with a view to touring parts of Europe. I've read of people doing similar things to yourself, however this has mainly been focussed on computer lessons for the 'grey nomads'. Would love to hear more of what you are up to, maybe we could swap notes in the Lounge forum if you like?

If there's any new feature you'd like to see us cover on the forums, just let us know. For instance, if you'd like any extra feedback on your pupils' efforts, then we'd be more than happy to help.

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Thanks to Spike's Y/T link, and I now understand what P.A.T.'s all about. A bit too gimicky for my liking, especially as a skill level of zero is required, but I can understand why some newbies to music would find this feature attractive. I think this is probably a case of taking musical aids a little too far.

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Man, you got that right. Yes, I too can see the appeal of PAT to newbies, but this is just the kind of gimmick that absolutely kills respect for arranger players. With promotions like this, who can blame the average joe in the audience for thinking "oh, anyone can do what he's doing up there, you just hit any key and the thing plays itself." In fact, I've had people come up to me and say just that, and my response is, "Okay then, hit a button and play me something." Then I watch them sheepishly walk away.

Voncken's got a living to make, fair enough, but he's not doing anyone other than Yamaha any favours.
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Thumbs up Re: Welcome to the Music Workshop! - 05-04-2011, 07:23 PM

Hi,

I think that that the PAT sytem really is more of a hinderence than a help to newbies.
I always thought that the aim was to improve your understanding of music and having PAT just doesn't do that.
I can't read music, but I can knock out a few tunes on a keyboard using what knowlege of chords and rhythm I have.
I am striving to improve my knowledge, and hope that by using the forums on this site this will become a reality.
I for one would welcome any help or constructive criticism from members who are willing to help me.
I hope in time, that I would be able to do the same for some-one else.
Maybe some day I will even make the effort to learn to read music
Best wishes to all,
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