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Music Workshop It can be difficult sometimes to have the confidence to make your first song upload, so with this in mind we've decided to launch this new forum with a view to helping other members solve some of their music-making problems.

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Default Re: Style Assembly - 12-09-2009, 11:27 AM

I Have remove just the copyright text with PSRUTI en I have acces to all 8 style tracks.

The sound setting is a little bit different but i can edit, copy, past etc.. data from track to track.

I use Multi-select to select data.

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Default Re: Style Assembly - 12-09-2009, 12:08 PM

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I Have remove just the copyright text with PSRUTI en I have acces to all 8 style tracks.

The sound setting is a little bit different but i can edit, copy, past etc.. data from track to track.

I use Multi-select to select data.

Greatings Wim

Not in the copy I have!
You can delete, exchange, cut and copy and double channels but you can't paste and you can't edit the notes in the channel.
Ok do what you say it will do by loading a style,deleting the copyright then edit the bass line of the style. Post the before and after versions.
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Default Re: Style Assembly - 12-09-2009, 03:14 PM

I have removed the copyright text, and i have acces to al 8 style parts.

Just with PSRUTI the sound en setting are a little bit changed.

When you assembly from a copyright style then you can't edit that track.

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Default Re: Style Assembly - 12-09-2009, 09:23 PM

That's what I keep telling you!
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Default Re: Style Assembly - 16-09-2009, 06:45 PM

I'm just getting around to your Style assembly post..

Thank you for this explanation. I was able to follow your instructions fine on Tyros 3. I assembled a style from scratch - taking parts of other styles. The Tyros 3 owner's manual is confusing.. Of course, I'm still very new to the Tyros.

A few times when I have attempted to follow this procedure, I get a four bar snare drum track 'playing'. It plays consistently over the four bars, but it fights with the style I have created. It was in Rhy 2 - I saved and exited the Style Creator mode, and played the style again. You could plainly hear something was wrong.. I went back to creator and selected a different Rhy 2 part, and problem went away..

QUESTION 1 - Does Style Creator always work consistently - or am I doing something wrong?

At one point, I added a Rhy 1. I struggled to find something that 'fit well'. On my third attempt, I couldn't add any Rhy 1 track. I saved style. I always save with a new name 'Rhythm1, Rhythm2, etc'. So if I mess it up, I still have a back-up.

When I went back into the Style creator, the first window that pops up is (BASIC) page. I noticed that Rhy1, Chd2, and Phr2 were set to OFF. I was working on Variation A..QUESTION 2 - Is this a function of the way Variation A works (it has to be simpler?)

Also in the "assembly" section, all my 'parts' that I selected from different styles have been re - labelled to 'MarkXXX3' the name I gave the style. I wished that they stayed the original, so I could have remembered bass came from 60's pop, Rhy1 from Rnb soft, etc.

QUESTION 3 - Did I do something wrong or is this the way the Tyros works? If you are going to create variations of styles, it would be helpful, to know where each part was 'assembled' from.

While I was 'assembling' a style, I played the keyboard, this seemed to get recorded as a performance.. I have this syncopated clap track. I'm not sure what I am doing wrong.. So I exit the Style Creator, pick another style, then go back to original style I was trying to edit. and begin again...


QUESTION 4 - I'm getting a bit ahead of myself here, I need to get a handle on assembling correct first but - If I create a style using Assembly, can I go back and EDIT one part of that style, by recording from the keyboard. - Short answer is OK for now..

Again - thank you very much for your effort and patience to explain things..
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Default Re: Style Assembly - 16-09-2009, 07:00 PM

It's getting clearer to me now. Whenever I go into Style Creator, the first window is Basic. Rhy2 channel is set to 'record'. So even if I move over to assembly mode anytime I touch the keyboard, it gets recorded as a drum part, on top of the programmed drum sequence I selected from a previous style.

I'll keep digging at this..
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Default Re: Style Assembly - 17-09-2009, 12:20 AM

I've spent a couple of hours working with Style Creator. It took a while to realize that when I go into Style Creator, Rhythm 2 comes up ready to record. So you have to turn Rhythm 2 record off, and set another one track to work on. If you are not careful, you can erasing, or overdubbing junk onto the Rhythm 2 track.

I started using a combination of style assembly and then recording. For phrase 2 - I played a simple xylophone part, and on Rhythm 1 - I overdub'd a tamborine track. You can then to quantize to fix or tighten any of the tracks. Again make sure you are quantizing the track that you really want to. So for I TAB back to basic, to set the proper track to work on.

The Tryos 3 manual states that you can copy style parts from Track to track. I assume that means you can take a Chord 1 style and assign it to Chord 2 of your style. I still didn't have much success with that.

I had a problem trying to 'assemble' a Phrase 2. It seems like not many styles even have Phrase 2's. I eventually ended up recording a part into Phrase 2. Do others have this problem, or am I still missing something?
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Default Re: Style Assembly - 17-09-2009, 09:40 AM

Somewhere in this thread or the one 'Styles from Scratch' I mentioned that RHY2 is default at [RECORD]. If you do inadvertently record something to this channel just reload the style and start again, whatever you do don't save it. The insurance against this is to always save to a different file name.
One of the first things which you should learn to do automatically when you go to Style Creator is to turn off the [REC] on Rhy 2 (unless you are going to edit it)

Yes you can copy chord 1 to chord 2 channels and if you have the same problem assembling something to phrase 2 then there is something wrong with your method.
If you want to copy chord 1 from Main A to chord 2 of Main B then press [MAIN B] and click OK at the bottom right of the screen. Select [CHORD 2], look at the 'Copy from' section at the bottom of the screen and using [BUTTON 3] highlight [MAIN A], use [BUTTON 4 or 5] to highlight [CHORD 1] and press [SAVE]. The chord that was chord1 in Main A is now chord 2 in Main B.
A tip here is to have the style in the [USER] section - it makes life easier.
If you want to assemble a style from 2 (or more) styles then have them all in the user section. This however is more involved and you have to keep your wits about you and develop an order of doing things.
It is the same as before but when you prees the style part you are copying TO press it TWICE, it will go to the style you are copying FROM,select as before and just press SAVE.
Even if the style part you are copying to is empty you still use the above method unless you want to record your own part, in which case you press [REC CH] in the Basic page.

Going to your previous post " Also in the "assembly" section, all my 'parts' that I selected from different styles have been re - labelled to 'MarkXXX3' the name I gave the style. I wished that they stayed the original, so I could have remembered bass came from 60's pop, Rhy1 from Rnb soft, etc. " How would it know? there is no facility to add text to a style part only the style. You'll have to make a note of what you do.

QUESTION 4 - I'm getting a bit ahead of myself here, I need to get a handle on assembling correct first but - If I create a style using Assembly, can I go back and EDIT one part of that style, by recording from the keyboard. Only if it was a part recorded by you otherwise the copyright stops you.

While I was 'assembling' a style, I played the keyboard, this seemed to get recorded as a performance.. I have this syncopated clap track. I'm not sure what I am doing wrong.. So I exit the Style Creator, pick another style, then go back to original style I was trying to edit. and begin again... probably because it is playing the style loop, to get back to playing the style properly you'd have to save and press the ACMP button.

When I went back into the Style creator, the first window that pops up is (BASIC) page. I noticed that Rhy1, Chd2, and Phr2 were set to OFF. I was working on Variation A..QUESTION 2 - Is this a function of the way Variation A works (it has to be simpler?) No it doesn't have to be simpler but the progression of a song usually means the style parts getting more complicated and more of them as the song builds up .



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Default Re: Style Assembly - 17-09-2009, 07:48 PM

Thanx.. I spend some time each day figuring out various areas of this instrument. Then I move on.. I'll come back to the same area, and I notice it's easier. Sometimes, something not apparent before, now makes sense to me.

I've sent three emails to Yamaha trying to understand some issue. They have not been very helpful other than responding something like 'all the information you need' is in the manual. Thanx again.. more later..
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