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Music Workshop It can be difficult sometimes to have the confidence to make your first song upload, so with this in mind we've decided to launch this new forum with a view to helping other members solve some of their music-making problems.

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Default Re: Making a style from scratch - 23-08-2009, 04:08 PM

Hi Spike, Yes Eileen is one clever lady,she know the answer to just about everything, she even advises Howard Beaumont, she doesn't make styles from scratch, she takes a style and 'tweaks it'...Pam
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Default Re: Making a style from scratch - 12-09-2009, 11:11 AM

Hi Pam
Errrrrrrr who is Howard Beaumont?
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Default Re: Making a style from scratch - 12-09-2009, 12:09 PM

Hi Spike, If you google him, he plays at the Scarborough Hotel, which he owns with his wife, a superb musician, At the Yamaha week-end he demonstrated the Gene Krupa drums on the keyboard, and has produced many styles also, yes one helluva musician, he also plays on cruise ships...Pam
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Default Re: Making a style from scratch - 18-09-2009, 04:34 AM

Wow - very impressive work Spike...

The idea of building a style, or modifying the existing ones is very exciting. Becoming proficient with the style manipulation and creation, will truly let you create unique music..

I spent some time today making a style from scratch.. It's getting there. I kept saving every step I did. It's still a bit overwhelming. Becoming proficient at the Tryos really forces you to look at the act of making music in a different way.

I've always thought of music (especially pop) as little 'chunks of music data' assembled and reshuffled. I can see it's going to take a while to master creating styles. I tried a combination of creating style from scratch, and 'assembling' part of it also.

The creation of the style, along the variations, the OTS, MultiPads, and Registrations, offers a bewildering amount of options in creating a song..I'm still trying to sort that one out..


CAN YOU LISTEN WITHOUT RECORDING?

I can't find a way to 'practise my part' enough first. For instance if I want to create a 'Phrase part'. I have to put the channel into record, otherwise I can't hear it. Yet it is immediately recording and overdubbing on top of itself. So I was constantly 'deleting' the part and re-recording it. Is there a way to do this? Or do you have to keep re-recording it till you get it right..

I did work with the 'quantizing' of the edit list. I also editing the timing of notes, cutting, pasting, etc. While it works, and I suppose you get more proficient with it at time, I found it kind of awkard.

BUILDING A STYLE WITH EXT DAW?

How hard is it to create a style and use a DAW in conjunction with it?. Are there people doing it? I thought about starting the style in Tyros, and then port it over to Logic (or any DAW), tighten it up, and then port it over back to Tyros.

I have been able to build a Tyros sequencer song, port it over to Logic, tighten it up, and polish it, and then perform it back thru Tyros, recording the audio.. That's getting smoother. However building a style. Not sure if that process will work in building a style. I will try it in the next several days..

I have seen a few PC programs to help you with creating styles. But I use a Mac, haven't seen any programs that worked on Mac..
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Default Re: Making a style from scratch - 18-09-2009, 09:24 AM

Can you listen without recording? Yes provided there are other parts of the style which are already recorded otherwise to either have to practice it until you get it near enough perfect then record it or record it and then make your timing, note etc corrections in the edit page.

BUILDING A STYLE WITH EXT DAW? No is the short answer. I believe Yamaha and other manufacturers have their own software for making styles and it is closely guarded. Trying to do it yourself with a DAW will not work because when you record the style it becomes a .mid and therefore when you save back to the PC it has lost the CASM and the ability to recognise chords, root notes etc.
There is a way round this which is very involved and that is to record the style with a DAW, pass it back to the PC as a midi file and then using software called Midi2style available form here free YAMAHA Keyboard - Software 1 you can then extract the style from that midi.
There is also software called Stylemaker which is used in conjunction with a DAW , this separates the CASM into a separate file then reunites them later.


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Default Re: Making a style from scratch - 18-09-2009, 04:58 PM

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ANGELONYC - I was working on Variation A (eight bars long). I was trying to create a Phrase 2 part which only played on measure 5. Now the chord progression was (Bb2-F/a-Gm-A7-Dm-Cm-Am7b5-D) Each chord was a bar long. I understand that you have to play your part, thinking that the sequence is in a 'Source chord'. Can you explain that a bit.

I quess what I could do, is leave Style Creator mode, and temporarily assign the Right 3 voice to the same patch as what I want the Phrase 2 to be. Then practice that (I could get a feel for the part). But when Variation A sequence plays, measure 5 is Dm - so I need to transpose my Phrase 2 part to C when I record it?. I really want to get a grasp on this 'style creation'.


SPIKE - BUILDING A STYLE WITH EXT DAW? No is the short answer. ....... Trying to do it yourself with a DAW will not work because when you record the style it becomes a .mid and therefore when you save back to the PC it has lost the CASM and the ability to recognise chords, root notes etc.

ANGELONYC - If you go to FUNCTION - MIDI - EDIT - and tab over 3 and 4 sections there are BASS and CHORD DETECT pages. It looks like you might be able to set-up Tyros to receive all the data it needs. In other words, you could substitute and external keyboard, or a DAW for it's own. I will check later today and see if the Style creator mode can run from external clock. If it does, we might be in luck.

SPIKE - There is a way round this which is very involved and that is to record the style with a DAW, pass it back to the PC as a midi file and then using software called Midi2style available form here free YAMAHA Keyboard - Software 1 you can then extract the style from that midi.
There is also software called Stylemaker which is used in conjunction with a DAW , this separates the CASM into a separate file then reunites them later.
ANGELONYC- Quess I'm gonna have to brush up on Windows. I do have an Intel mac with Windows installed, but I really fumble my way thru it. I have seen several programs that look very promising. The ability to create your own styles makes the Tyros a very powerful instrument.

Are there any people here using the Emc software?

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or Heiko Plate? He has done a LOT of work with his PC, Cakewalk, the Yamaha PSR-8000 and now the Tyros. He has some very thorough detailed information on his sight.

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Default Re: Making a style from scratch - 18-09-2009, 05:02 PM

Sorry bout the restructuring of the previous post - I was trying to organize 'requote it so it made a little more sense. Some how I messed it up and uploaded it before I was ready.
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Default Re: Making a style from scratch - 20-10-2009, 12:18 PM

Hi Everyone

Just Joined Yesterday, just finding my way around the site before I share some song styles or my own cover versions of songs .... I have collected many song styles from various sites and some done by members on other sites ., maybe there are some already posted here, also Hi to Spike Thanks for your help last week, Interesting Subject you wrote here on Styles from Scratch sounds too hard for me..

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Default Re: Making a style from scratch - 20-10-2009, 01:12 PM

Hi Ronnie,

Great to have you onboard!

Site navigation is a bit fiddly at first, but you'll soon get the hang of it.

When you get to the uploading your tunes stage, you'll need to host the mp3 offsite, (either your own web site, or one of the free file sharing sites such as Box.net), and the midi file can be uploaded here. (Just click on the paperclip icon in the message editor). If for some reason you can't provide the midi file then a blank midi can be used. The reason is the forum software looks for the midi file and then lists the tune in your user profile. This is a great way of keeping a tab on all your uploads, and helps others to quickly search through your uploaded tunes.

If you look at Pam's upload list here, it will show exactly what I mean:

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Hope this helps.

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Default Re: Making a style from scratch - 07-11-2009, 04:36 PM

Hi Spike.
This is just what I wanted! I can't make head nor tail of the instruction manual, this is so much easier to understand.Why can't the damn manual be more straight forward for us dummies?
Anyway, I shall give it a go over the weekend, and probably have loads of questions next week!!
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