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Default Best method of composing, multi-tracking on Tyros 3 or Cubase? - 05-09-2009, 03:43 PM

Hi Guys
I've just read the post on multi-tracking for the Tyros 1 & 2. For someone with a fairly extensive music background but completely new to his Tyros 3, and used Cubase many many years ago for a short while - would I be better getting cubase for composing purposes or laying tracks on the Tyros 3. Also is the methodology for multi-tracking on the Tyros 3 any different to that in the Tyros 1 & 2 multi-tracking thread?

Which would be your preference? What are the advantages of one method over the other?

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Default Re: Best method of composing, multi-tracking on Tyros 3 or Cubase? - 05-09-2009, 04:17 PM

Hi Dave
Methodology is exactly the same for the T1,T2 and T3 , if you're experience with multi-tracking using Cubase and tying it up to a keyboard then maybe you'll have more control, I only use sequencing software to edit certain aspects of a midi where it is easier than doing it on the keyboard. The advantage of Cubase over the keyboard is the ability to convert to audio by dragging midi tracks to audio tracks.
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Default Re: Best method of composing, multi-tracking on Tyros 3 or Cubase? - 05-09-2009, 05:37 PM

Hi Spike
Thanks - I'll try the Tyros first and see how I go.

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Default Re: Best method of composing, multi-tracking on Tyros 3 or Cubase? - 05-09-2009, 11:50 PM

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I was thinking back to when I used the original cubase - yes it was that long ago! Which is the cirrent version - studio 5.1?
I assume that the Tyros will connect to my pc and intros, endings, backing variiations will go through to the pc and appear as a score - similarly that anything in the cubase file will go back to the tyros and play with the correct instruments (or does it start up the original intros etc.?). So I can record a track at a time live into cubase?

Any info on what can be done by using cubase with the tyros 3 would be welcome.

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Default Re: Best method of composing, multi-tracking on Tyros 3 or Cubase? - 06-09-2009, 09:22 AM

Hi Dave
The current version I think is 5.1 , I use either Cubasis (the old entry level software) or AI4 which came bundled with my Motif.
Basically whatever you put into Cubase from the Tyros will get sent back provided the midi channels are set correctly and the LSB/MSB and Prog Ch numbers are right. These events are in a data block at the start of every track or where that data changes (ie a voice change) The events will be seen in List View whereas the note events themselves will only be seen in Piano Roll View or Staff View (score).
Yes you can record a track at a time with any sequencing software however doing with the keyboard is in my opinion easier because you don't have to worry about setting up the software to recognise the data coming from the keyboard. (my personal Achilles heel!)
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Default Re: Best method of composing, multi-tracking on Tyros 3 or Cubase? - 06-09-2009, 10:47 AM

Hi Spike

Many thanks for the info - I'll get myself sorted when I get back from Edinburgh!

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Default Re: Best method of composing, multi-tracking on Tyros 3 or Cubase? - 06-09-2009, 11:01 PM

Hi Doclands - Keep us informed of your progress. I'm attempting same (Logic on Mac and Tryos 3 - just recently got Tryos). I've had limited success, recording Tyros performance into Logic and duplicating it. Note data of course is perfect. Multi-pads record as data and playback fine, as long as you have proper multi-pad assigned again.

I'm also trying to determine the most comfortable method of creating music. I'm not used to taking hands off keyboard and pushing buttons, but starting to get hang of it. I think perhaps a combination of two methods may work.. I can't always play as accurately as I want. Of course a DAW, is great for fixing timing mistakes. I'm having a hard time looking at event list in Tryos window..

I've created a performance on Tryos and then recorded it into Logic. There I can score it out, and decide where I want to augment it with something else. Got Logic and T3 in sync. The stumbling block so far - Tyros doesn't always respond to program changes properly when being driven from external DAW as to when it's playing it's own file..

I did discover that Logic was recording some sys-ex data on same clock (look in event list - same exact time) so it was putting the Program change, before the LSB (bank of programs). This resulted in wrong patch or sound. Once I corrected that, things improved. But there are still some other issues, I have to resolve.

Tyros generates/reads a lot of Sysex data to do it's magic (changing presets,variations, levels etc. Somehow some of that is getting lost when playing back from Logic.. I've only had a handful of hours trying to figure it out.. Anything you discover - please post..

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