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Default Re: Original Tyros 1 CD. - 25-11-2009, 11:07 AM

Hi Again Spike.
After you sending me the style for "House Of The Rising Sun" I couldn't resist having a go at it, 'cause I thought it was a great style.
Theres some glitches, but let me know what you think.

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Default Re: Original Tyros 1 CD. - 25-11-2009, 01:28 PM

Hi Ray
Midis rarely sound right when played through a sound card (one of the reasons why we like to have an Mp3 too) so I played it through the Tyros,
Yep it 's quite a good first try, I presume you played the melody on channel 3 first the added the sax on CH1 after. The mix could have been better but that's easily adjusted after recording. I would have also panned the 2 voices left and right to separate them, again easily done after recording. The couple of stray notes on the sax can easily be removed too. There's a lot you can do after recording to make the song better, perhaps that's a subject for a later workshop.
Anyway you've got the right idea and improvements will come with time and experience.
Now to the HOTRS, it's a good style for this, again you've played it fine but it would need a bit of remixing to get the balances right and maybe include the solo in it (Var D was a guitar just right for this rather than have the organ throughout)
Hope you find this constructive, if you need more help just ask.
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Default Re: Original Tyros 1 CD. - 25-11-2009, 02:39 PM

Hi Ray.

Having listened to your two uploads, its obvious you have a good natural sense of timing and rhythm, which is great, as you can pick up all the technical stuff as you go along.

Spike is right regarding the mixing and balance,.....on "True Love Ways" for instance, you have a nice multi-tracked sax counter harmony, but it overshadows the main strings in a lot of places, and its really a quick fix to edit the volume levels and panning,....I would also try adding some reverb to the voices,.....that would give a lot more depth to the recording.

One thing though,...you really need to get hooked up to a PC ( I ran a 30 ft lead from My T1 in the basement, to the PC in the living room upstairs at one time ) You can then uplaod everything direct , and is a must for using something like "Audacity" to convert your songs to MP3's and then burn them to a CD if you liked.

I have been on the exact same journey as you with the T1, so anything your not sure of, just ask.
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Default Re: Original Tyros 1 CD. - 25-11-2009, 03:18 PM

Hi Spike & Gordon.
Many thanks for your constructive comments. Well appreciated.
I have tried to adjust the volumes for the various instruments, after recording but found that they made no difference. The only one that seemed to work was the Master Volume.
Also I would like to delete certain sections of the recording, as you pointed out Spike (Bum notes etc.) but couldn't find a way to do this on the Tyros.
I am used to recording straight into a multi track (Adobe Audition) and post editing is easy from there, as you can expand each track and do what you like. Bear in mind guy's, I am moving from Guitar to Keyboard, and the technical side is all new to me.Whereas I only had one instrument to worry about, I am now dealing with many!
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Default Re: Original Tyros 1 CD. - 25-11-2009, 04:12 PM

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Also I would like to delete certain sections of the recording, as you pointed out Spike (Bum notes etc.) but couldn't find a way to do this on the Tyros.
Hi Ray,

I find the little foot pedal you can get, (not sure of the model number, but it's a little square black box), is indespensible for making quick note removal edits. From memory, I think you set it up in the Song Creator section where you can set it to start recording on a track when you hit the pedal, (I use my hands, not feet for this), and then resumes normal playback when you release it. You set the track up as normal as if you're going to record, but use the pedal instead of playing anything.

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Default Re: Original Tyros 1 CD. - 25-11-2009, 06:37 PM

Hi Paul,

Sounds good!
I'll bear it in mind. Anything that makes things easier has got to be good.
Thanks.
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Default Re: Original Tyros 1 CD. - 25-11-2009, 10:42 PM

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Hi Spike & Gordon.
Many thanks for your constructive comments. Well appreciated.
I have tried to adjust the volumes for the various instruments, after recording but found that they made no difference. The only one that seemed to work was the Master Volume.
Also I would like to delete certain sections of the recording, as you pointed out Spike (Bum notes etc.) but couldn't find a way to do this on the Tyros.
I am used to recording straight into a multi track (Adobe Audition) and post editing is easy from there, as you can expand each track and do what you like. Bear in mind guy's, I am moving from Guitar to Keyboard, and the technical side is all new to me.Whereas I only had one instrument to worry about, I am now dealing with many!
Regards,
Ray.
Hi Ray
If you want to adjust volumes then the easiest way if you don't fancy doing it by editing event in the channel event list is to use the Mixing Console. Pressing the MC button until you get a page which says {Song ch 1-8} you are now faced with a screen with ch 1-8 telling you what voice is being played, which side those voices are panned and the volume of each channel. The volume is adjusted using the bottom buttons 1-8 while the song is playing - you can then adjust each ch until you have the balance right. Similarly when you want to adjust the panning press [BUTTON D] this highlights the [Panpot] line where you can adjust the panning of each channel using [BUTTONS 1-8]. If you want to change voices then highlight the [VOICE] line using [BUTTON C]. To change a voice press the appropriate channel button 1-8 and the voice used will appear - this can be changed by pressing the appropriate button in [VOICE CONTROL].
When you have made any changes to the song from this screen you can tab to other pages of the screen to adjust Reverb, Chorus, DSP etc.
NOW COMES THE IMPORTANT BIT None of these changes will be made unless you press DIGITAL RECORDING/SONG CREATOR and tab to CHANNEL then use [ BUTTON B] to scroll down to [ 5 SET UP] . Check that all the appropriate boxes are ticked using [BUTTON 8] then press [BUTTON D - EXECUTE] then press [BUTTON I - SAVE]
All the changes you have made will be saved - I advise you to save to a different file name so you can always go back.
AS regards removing bum notes then you can go down the DAW route and do it in either the piano roll or list view or do it on the key board by going to SONG CREATOR and tab to page [1-16] then selecting which channel contains the bum note using [BUTTON F] you can scroll down the event list using [BUTTON B] and providing you know which bar or measure contains the bum note you can find it and delete it . You can also adjust any timing problems here too and indeed insert control changes, prog changes etc.
You can reduce the number of events which are displayed by using [BUTTON H - FILTER] so that only the notes show or only control changes show.
Don't forget to save afterwards.
Hope this helps
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Default Re: Original Tyros 1 CD. - 25-11-2009, 11:29 PM

Hi Spike.
I had another go at altering recordings this afternoon, and was more or less working it out. The only problem I had was how to save the original recording to accept the changes.
Your posting has explained this to me.
I am still overwhelmed at the amount of things you can do on these marvelous machines.
I must add that your help has been really appreciated, without which I think I would have given up by now. The manual is crap.
Incidently.......Whats DAW?
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Default Re: Original Tyros 1 CD. - 26-11-2009, 09:12 AM

Hi Ray
DAW = Digital Audio Workstation.......ie sequencing software like Cubase, Cakewalk etc
Glad to be able to help - there's a lot of things the manual doesn't say, you have to have experimented to find out. I found out most things by trial and error (mostly the latter) but if you experiment with a song (or style/multipad) which you don't mind messing up you can soon learn what happens when you carry out a certain task - you can't damage your keyboard. (Well nothing that can't be fixed with a factory reset!)
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Default Re: Original Tyros 1 CD. - 26-11-2009, 04:36 PM

Thanks Spike.

I assume it also means Adobe Audition, which is the software I use.

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