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Default The Morning Sun - 28-11-2009, 12:01 AM

This is a song I've been working on for several days. I call it 'The Morning Sun'. I recorded it several times into Tyros sequencer, until I felt comfortable with chord changes, melody idea etc..

The Morning Sun 7.mp3 - File Shared from Box.net - Free Online File Storage

I then recorded into Logic, while I played it realtime on Tyros. This time I set up the upper and lower keyboard channels (assigned to channels 5 and 6) cause I didn't play multipads on first pass. So I played with a style and just a piano melody on first pass.

I cleaned up the left hand chords, quantized, erased a couple of glitch notes.. I left the melody alone.. I selected a style and recorded a pass, where I switched between the intros, Var A - D, and an outro.. I split this up into independent channels 9 - 16.

I wanted to record the acoustic guitar part again. So I muted the guitar part on Logic, assigned all the Logic tracks into Song channel on Tyros. Then I recorded a different pass of just acoustic guitar using a different style, and switched thru the Var A - D in a different manner..

I recorded another pass where I muted off (in Tyros) all transmission but Channels 1, 3 and 4 (right hand voices). On this pass I switched between the OTS settings, so the melody line changed voices.

I recorded two passes of multi-pads. Harpeggios and a harpsichord baroque line. The harpsichord was a bit too 'quaint' so I did some manual editing to what Tyros generated.. I then duplicated that track over from Tyros to Omnisphere.

I played another track on a Logic virtual instrument called Sculpture..

Finally I took the bass track and assigned that to Trillian (a virtual bass module) I used the main Tryos generated part, and then added two more overdubs, playing some thumps, and slide voices, which I kept stacatto, so it didn't get to slide to often. The bass overdub was one take, I put them all on one piano roll, and muted out the original Tyros bass part, where the bass adlibs parts, so they wouldn't clash. So the Trillian was actually playing three different bass patches, this gives the bass part more variety, which kind of breathes more life into the song..

The thumps were actually just some of the original Tyros bass part moved back a 1/4 note. I erased 85% of them. Just wanted to get more variety and movement into the song. The thumps also complicment the extra kick drum notes, which were part of the original style.

All in all this did come together quickly (for me). Each time I record with the Tyros, I try some different ideas in the method of recording, still searching out the best method to acomplish what I 'hear in my head'. Actually I don't 'hear it my head'. But often i come accross a 'happy accident' and I will follow that path until I'm satisfied or fed and then move on. When I find what is right to me, I know it..
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Default Re: The Morning Sun - 29-11-2009, 01:44 PM

Hi mark
I can well believe it took several days to make this, there's so much going on in the background yet nothing clashes - a tribute to your mixing skills. When you listen to it in depth there's very little actual melody but plenty of improvisation and that's very clever because in my ears it blends so well with the backing. (Don't know whether I've explained that well but I know what I mean)
A great original Mark
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Default Re: The Morning Sun - 29-11-2009, 03:46 PM

"When you listen to it in depth there's very little actual melody but plenty of improvisation"

Thanx - That's an excellent point I overlooked. I got a little hyper using the OTS buttons, when recording the melody. The melody was done in one pass, changing OTS, as I went along. The four OTS settings were grand piano, synth lead, strings, sax. I got so caught up in the lush quality of the sound that I overlooked the fact there was too much variety and not enough substance to the melody.

So for the listener, he/she is a bit overwhelmed by the constant 'changing of focus'.

The harpsichord and 'pitched wooden blocks' were actually the same part, created using the baroque multipad. I edited out a lot of the harpsichord parts. I turned the wooden blocks into a melody, by erasing all but one note when ever it played chords. The echo on it, gives the impression of chords.

In a few days, I'm gonna get back to this piece. For reference, I'll record the melody again just as a grand piano. Then hopefully a little bit of cutting, moving and pasting, of the melody track only, willl give the impression of more substance. (or I might play it again too). Then I'll reassign the lead sounds with OTS buttons, but I won't change them so rapidly. That should create more continuity.

I think I'll turn the volume of the wooden blocks down in volume a bit, and cut a little more of them out. Probably cut a few of the bass runs out also. It jumps around just a tad too much. Also lower the volume of the mute guitar.

I'll also do some cutting/pasting of melody, and record a pass with the grand piano playing all the way through. But leave most of the patch changes on right hand voice. The piano doubling should give the melody more strength.

When mixing, keep in mind the human ear really only likes to hear a few things competing for your attention at one time. The number of attention getting parts should shift also. Start with one instrument, being the focus but occassionally bring in a 2nd or 3rd, but then drop back down to one.

Being the composer/performer makes this hard sometimes. The performer is interested in getting as many cool little licks in as possible. The mixing engineer, like the conductor, should control where the listeners attention goes. You are at odds with yourself if you perform and mix the piece. It requires two frames of mind.

I make use of volume automation in Logic Pro for several tracks. This way you direct what the listener will focus on. Sometimes I will just cut sections of different instruments totally, or lower and raise their volume, helping the piece to rise, ebb and flow.
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Default Re: The Morning Sun - 29-11-2009, 05:20 PM

Hi Mark
That's an interesting post , you make some valid observations.
I look forward to hearing the 'second edition'
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Default Re: The Morning Sun - 30-11-2009, 02:24 AM

The Morning Sun 36

I spent a good part of the day on this version. I broke the lead melody line (which was on one track with program changes) into four tracks, piano, sax, strings, and flute. This way I could look at it in a score form. I made a number of changes, trying to make it more cohesive

But after pondering it for a while, I decided that i liked the improvisational quality of it. So I didn't change it as much as I had originally intended.

I took one of the Tyros generated guitar, and changed that to a mega guitar, and altered a lot of the velocities. It is reallypainstaking work to alter each note. After a while I would highlight sections of notes, and run them through a Logic Humanize Transform operation. This would make very subtle changes in timing, moderate changes in note length, and more changes in velocity of each individual note.. I did it once or twice, until I liked the result cause I got tired of spending so much time manually.

This song is more of less done for now. Perhaps I'll write lyrics to it later on..



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Here is a score of it in PDF format

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Default Re: The Morning Sun - 30-11-2009, 09:09 AM

Perfect! I liked the doubling up of the melody near the end. It actually doesn't need lyrics (I really don't think you could better the voices for this type of song) it's a fine song as an instrumental.
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Default Re: The Morning Sun - 03-12-2009, 09:51 PM

Hi Mark.

Going out on a limb here, but I'll bet I couldn't tell the difference to the sound of the onboard guitar even after it had gone through the " Logic Humanize transform operation " .

Not sure the average ear would appreciate all the subtle changes you mention, but I will say, its a damn good arrangement, and the chord progressions were very well thought out.

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Default Re: The Morning Sun - 04-12-2009, 03:15 AM

Hi Gordon.

It is not real noticeable, I totally agree. I solo'd the track and made a short mp3 of it.

example of velocity changes.mp3 - File Shared from Box.net - Free Online File Storage

Here is a jpeg of what the edited velocities look like

example altering velocity3.jpg - File Shared from Box.net - Free Online File Storage

First are two bars, at original equal velocity, that is followed by the same two bars, with velocities changed, there are harmonics, slides, and thumps. Above it is the corresponding audio of the track.. I colored them in, light green is original, and red is the altered velocities.

On the piano roll notation, that is standard logic coloring, usually the brighter a color, the higher the velocity. The light green was generated by Tyros( it wasn't originally a mega voice).

The yellow bar underneath are volume commands (could have used the expression controller too). You do need to 'fix the levels, when you use the mega feature, cause some notes are much louder than others..

Now this track certainly doesn't sound that great soloing it alone.. So you can see, that's going to take more time to perfect also.. For the amount of work, you might be right, it will go unnoticed.. Especially playing live (you'd have to play it as a Tyros sequencer track).
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