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Default Enhancing an acoustic guitar - 19-11-2009, 02:40 PM

This is a simple trick you can do with a DAW and your Tyros. Assuming you have loaded the Tryos song data into your DAW, and you are using the DAW to play back into Tyros to record a final performance.. You could also probably do this within the Tyros sequencer also, I haven't explored that..

Take an acoustic guitar melody track in your DAW. Have it assigned to a regular nylon guitar. Copy the midi data to another track in your sequencer and assign that to a different track on your Tyros (so you are using two midi tracks now) . Assign that to a mega nylon guitar. This will let you add thump, harmonics, squeaks etc..

Working with the mega track, you can mute certain notes, change the velocities etc, to add harmonics, mutes, slides, etc. Refer to the Yamaha data list manual.. Now highlight the all the notes, and copy/paste them up in the 6th - 7th octave.. This area also contains a lot rhythmic thumps, squeeks etc.

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The lower notes are an exact copy of what the original guitar played, I have changed velocities, and also erased a few notes to,

Now the notes in the 6th octave, don't always have to happen at the same time as the original notes were played. I have moved some of them around to ehance the performance..You could select random notes, and move them an 8th note later to create a rhythmic slap..If you find a nice rhythm, copy and paste that throughout the performance to give some continuity. You can also change thel velocity of these notes, for more dynamics. These guitar thumps also make an excellent percussion track. Some times more effective than bongos or congas.

Here is an audio example of the melody. This two tracks. One is a straight nylon guitar, and the 2nd is a mega nylon guitar, playing at the same time, to add extra realism to the guitar part

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Default Re: Enhancing an acoustic guitar - 23-11-2009, 07:16 PM

An excellent tutorial Mark.

When adding 'mega' effects to a track, do you do this in the DAW or on the Tyros?

How would you set about creating a bass guitar slide? A slide that ends on the 1st note of the next bar. Is this only doable in the DAW?

I'm still using the pitch bend wheel, but can never get a long enough slide. I've experimented with expanding the range of notes the slide covers, but find the volume then seems to sink quickly also.

I got a bit frustrated with using a DAW, but after reading your stuff and Spike's styles/multipad info, I've gotton the urge to give it a bash again.

Thanks again for sharing these useful tips with us.

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Default Re: Enhancing an acoustic guitar - 23-11-2009, 11:54 PM

Hi Paul
Post recording you can do it with Song Editor by editing the pitchbend events or graphically with a DAW in Piano Roll/Inspector
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Default Re: Enhancing an acoustic guitar - 27-11-2009, 03:03 AM

Ditto to Spikes answer. I've been doing in Logic. You could do it in Tyros, also, it's just events, with velocities.. Doing it in a DAW with piano roll type notation, it's much easier to visualize what you are doing, (you can see the rhythm, and velocity level by the color).

You could do the same with a mega bass. Most of the time, I don't think you need to worry that the bass slides down all the way to the note you you want.. The ear hears the slide, and interprets the way it's supposed to sound.. You could however go the extra mile by using a slide, and then following it up with a note pitch bended. but I think it comes up sounding a bit artificial.. If you really wanted to get technical you could transpose the song key so that the slide ended up at the note you want..
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